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79 Dakota for sale, upgrade time!

RNC

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I've decided to step up a bit and shop for a Commander 114 or Saratoga, depending on what deals I find, so mine is up for sale.

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N8083Y

O-540-J3A5D
3 Blade Hartzell HC-F3YR-1ARF
Hangared in McKinney, TX at KTKI
No damage history
All logs present
All invoices through myself and last owner, going back about 7 years
Useful load right at 1200 lbs

~3275 TT
~850 SMOH blueprint "stage 3" overhaul by Performance Engines, LaVerne CA
~50 SPOH by Mid America Propeller, Mountain View AR
~200 since A/P overhaul by Autopilot Central, Tulsa OK
~80 since new ELT battery 5/2012
~350 since new carpet 2/2007

Last annual 6/2013, compressions 75/76/76/76/76/78
Last pitot/static/transponder check 1/2013

At or around last annual: new main tires, new brake pads and rotors, new SigmaTek vacuum pump, new motor mounts, new oil cooler hoses per recurring AD, side step stripped/repainted/re-gripped, new landing light bulb, tail control cable AD done and found no corrosion or broken strands.

Original Equipment:

Seats and panels, original blue velour "executive" from the factory, no stains/damage, good condition.
Paint, original white with black/red/blue stripes, good condition no chipping, typical cowl paint cracking that all Pipers have...
Interior plastics and headliner, good condition no damage.
Autocontrol III-B autopilot
Electric trim
ADF

Aftermarket Equpiment:

Whelen tail strobe 4/1988
Copper power cables 2/1999
Hartzell 3 blade prop 7/2003
Met-Co-Aire fiberglass tail cones 12/2006
Rosen sun visors 8/2007
"Lightsaver" landing light unit 9/2009
Brackett engine air filter 6/2013
2 tow bars
Panel complete rewire and avionics upgrade 9/2005 as follows...

Garmin GNS-530 GPS/NAV/COMM (WAAS upgrade 8/2007)
Garmin SL30 secondary NAV/COMM
Garmin GTX-330 transponder
Dual Garmin GI-106A glideslopes (has GPS steering)
PS Engineering 7000CD audio panel/4 place intercom/CD Player

Notes:

Previous owner was a retired 747 captain and his meticulous nature shows in the paperwork. It struggles to burn more than a quart between oil changes, pretty sure I've been flying around with the same spare quart in the back for about 5 months. The oil gauges might as well be glued on their optimal readouts running lean of peak between 7 and 9, just a good, solid, reliable airplane. Buy it and fly it, it doesn't need anything but gas.

Pics, logs, etc:

http://airplane.nbfl.net

Recommend downloading the logbooks and viewing them in Adobe Acrobat, rather than in your browser, if you do so you'll notice that the AD notes are bookmarked for easy reference.

Price:

Going by the book value of this vintage assuming it was all stock factory of about 90k, I put a value on the previous owner's avionics upgrades and premium engine overhaul at 25k when I bought it and paid him that for it. Since then I've put about 5% of the assumed 2000 engine time on it, so I'm asking 109k, my purchase price minus the 5%.

Contact

[email protected], PM on the forums for my cell number.
 

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I've decided to step up a bit and shop for a Commander 114 or Saratoga, depending on what deals I find, so mine is up for sale. Details... N8083Y O-540-J3A5D 3 Blade Hartzell HC-F3YR-1ARF Hangared in McKinney, TX at KTKI No damage history All logs present All invoices through myself and last owner, going back about 7 years Useful load right at 1200 lbs ~3275 TT ~850 SMOH blueprint "stage 3" overhaul by Performance Engines, LaVerne CA ~50 SPOH by Mid America Propeller, Mountain View AR ~200 since A/P overhaul by Autopilot Central, Tulsa OK ~80 since new ELT battery 5/2012 ~350 since new carpet 2/2007 Last annual 6/2013, compressions 75/76/76/76/76/78 Last pitot/static/transponder check 1/2013 At or around last annual: new main tires, new brake pads and rotors, new SigmaTek vacuum pump, new motor mounts, new oil cooler hoses per recurring AD, side step stripped/repainted/re-gripped, new landing light bulb, tail control cable AD done and found no corrosion or broken strands. Original Equipment: Seats and panels, original blue velour "executive" from the factory, no stains/damage, good condition. Paint, original white with black/red/blue stripes, good condition no chipping, typical cowl paint cracking that all Pipers have... Interior plastics and headliner, good condition no damage. Autocontrol III-B autopilot Electric trim ADF Aftermarket Equpiment: Whelen tail strobe 4/1988 Copper power cables 2/1999 Hartzell 3 blade prop 7/2003 Met-Co-Aire fiberglass tail cones 12/2006 Rosen sun visors 8/2007 "Lightsaver" landing light unit 9/2009 Brackett engine air filter 6/2013 2 tow bars Panel complete rewire and avionics upgrade 9/2005 as follows... Garmin GNS-530 GPS/NAV/COMM (WAAS upgrade 8/2007) Garmin SL30 secondary NAV/COMM Garmin GTX-330 transponder Dual Garmin GI-106A glideslopes (has GPS steering) PS Engineering 7000CD audio panel/4 place intercom/CD Player Notes: Previous owner was a retired 747 captain and his meticulous nature shows in the paperwork. It struggles to burn more than a quart between oil changes, pretty sure I've been flying around with the same spare quart in the back for about 5 months. The oil gauges might as well be glued on their optimal readouts running lean of peak between 7 and 9, just a good, solid, reliable airplane. Buy it and fly it, it doesn't need anything but gas. Pics, logs, etc: http://airplane.nbfl.net Recommend downloading the logbooks and viewing them in Adobe Acrobat, rather than in your browser, if you do so you'll notice that the AD notes are bookmarked for easy reference. Price: Going by the book value of this vintage assuming it was all stock factory of about 90k, I put a value on the previous owner's avionics upgrades and premium engine overhaul at 25k when I bought it and paid him that for it. Since then I've put about 5% of the assumed 2000 engine time on it, so I'm asking 109k, my purchase price minus the 5%. Contact [email protected], PM on the forums for my cell number.
How much you asking?
 

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Bottom of the post!

109k. As I said I paid 115k, putting that much premium on the new instruments and the premium overhaul, asking 5% less, since I've put roughly 5% of the time in the engine since I've had it.
 

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Looks like a nice Dakato and like the right wing mounted coffee cup holder in the pictures of it too. I had on my short list the Dakota or the Commander-114 too and wanted to buy the best my budget could afford for either plane and ended up finding my first choice a Commander to move up to from my Archer. Saratoga would have been my first choice as I think its the best single engine plane ever built that can do a lot, but wasn't on my list this time when I moved up as two college kids eat my aviation budget up and I think your looking at 175-200k for a nice Saratoga. In a few years I will trade up to the Saratoga as it has such great speeds, range, load carrying and fuel that you can trade-off and great cabin comfort, and the club seating is very nice as well.

If you want a Commander and I would only buy the 114 and not the 112 as it has such better performance and a true four seater with full fuel and a useful load of 1185# on mine, 260 HP and performs great in high DA fully loaded with fuel and passengers. If you are looking for one contact Judi Anderson at SunCoast Aviation as we call her the grandmother of the fleet and an aviation broker, and has a file on just about every Commander in the world and a wealth of info on the fleet. She is a real straight broker and no nonsense and tells you like it is, and will help you avoid some mistakes if want a Commander.

BTW the Commander was bought from bankruptcy a few months ago by a Chinese investor of course who seriously wants to restart production of the plane and parts etc, and thats good for the existing fleet and owners.


http://www.suncoastaviation.com/main.htm
 

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Thanks, I hadn't heard that about the Chinese investor restarting production. If they at least restart parts production, that would do a lot to keep the existing ones in resale value for a bit longer.

I've been shopping pretty hard, and I think Commander 114s are in a "sweet spot" right now of 1990s stock coming up on TBO, and thus there are some potential deals out there. With Saratoga production halting between the mid 80s and mid 90s they are harder to find that way. There are a lot of newer ones for upwards of 300k, and a lot of early 80s ones, but not much in the middle. Part of my upgrade is wanting to get into a less than 20 year old, less than 2000 hour TT airplane that I can keep for a few years, rather than having to worry about resale value as we approach 40 years and 4k hours on stuff from the 70s.

I'll be spending more, but then again aren't we all? ;)
 

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Thanks, I hadn't heard that about the Chinese investor restarting production. If they at least restart parts production, that would do a lot to keep the existing ones in resale value for a bit longer.

I've been shopping pretty hard, and I think Commander 114s are in a "sweet spot" right now of 1990s stock coming up on TBO, and thus there are some potential deals out there. With Saratoga production halting between the mid 80s and mid 90s they are harder to find that way. There are a lot of newer ones for upwards of 300k, and a lot of early 80s ones, but not much in the middle. Part of my upgrade is wanting to get into a less than 20 year old, less than 2000 hour TT airplane that I can keep for a few years, rather than having to worry about resale value as we approach 40 years and 4k hours on stuff from the 70s.

I'll be spending more, but then again aren't we all? ;)
The problem with the newer Commanders 1990+ and newer is they are all upside down on there purchase price versus the market value, but if you seriously want a Commander contact Judi as she will give the best advice and a plane before its listed online.

John Travolta's Commander-114 is listed for sale with here and looks decent and pretty good price I thought too. A few bucks on some of the panel and avionics would be a very nice ship to fly.

The Chinese Investor is the real deal from what we can tell and wants to restart production, and if you don't know it Jim Richards from AreoDyme has what is called a Super Commander design and planes flying with his mods 180 knots and wouldn't be surprised to to see some of his mods incorporated into a new production Commander very soon.

Jim Richards by the way and Areodyme is one of a few experts on the Commanders and if you have any questions call him, and very helpful with a lot of improvements for the aircraft over the years.

http://www.aerodyme.com
 
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